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You'd want to be very careful with your sums before you signed up with them. While they can ensure a flow of new tenants they can maintain high rents I suppose. You didn't just catch your mate on a bad day Shareholders don't often get to negotiate Westfield rents. I presume they bas their investment decisions on what income they think can be sustained. If they think the rents are unsustainable they should sell out I suppose. James of course the plebs will meekly accept crappy working conditions they meekly accepted this government.

I've said this before, Brenda, that the new generation of voters won't remember the Howard years of WorkChoices because working conditions had improved so much over the last 6 years. The relentless negative tactics of the Coalition convinced these new voters that things were much more dire than they really were. That showed big time with Liberal Senator Arthur Sinodinos' contradictory comments about the true state of the economy on election night!!

Agreed James Another option for people who can't get a job paying decent wages is to turn to crime. For example, selling drugs, stealing, scamming people. Is it any coincidence that our crime rate is growing lock step with our working poor? Seriously, if we don't have enough respect for people to ensure everyone who works gets a basic living wage, then we don't deserve any better than to be beaten, robbed and scammed. And we should be extending that to the least well off workers overseas as well.

The best way to ensure a good life for oneself is to ensure a good life for everyone. Our grandparents understood this and that is how they built "The Lucky Country". It wasn't luck. It was community. Employers want their labour for no cost: The plain simple fact is retail in Australia is now competing with internet shopping and each other.

Businesses continue to go under and employees end up with nothing and unless we learn to live within our means expect more. That's a bit cynical, Steve. I know plenty of people who are willing to do a fair day's work for a fair day's pay. The problem is, for many struggling small businesses they just can't afford to pay penalty rates on weekends.

They could easily get students and schoolkids who would welcome the chance to earn a bit of money, even at non-penalty rates. Instead, the business doesn't open and nobody gets any rates. Who wins there? However, we all know that greedy large corporations would take advantage of every possible way to reduce their costs. I would hate to see us become like the US, with their system, or the UK, with their zero hours contracts, so what is the answer?

I can't offer a solution. I just think it's more complex than all employers greedy and bad, all employees downtrodden and disadvantaged. Or a son, daughter or sibling even if not a breadwinner. People, individuals and families both, benefit from time spent NOT working, from the personal interactions and the decompression from the working week.

Consuming less is a benefit - not a problem unless you're a merchant. So you don't have the latest flatscreen TV? You can live without and the Joneses have more stuff than you do. So what? If you're right on the edge of survival and very, very few really ARE then dig up the lawn and plant veges, put a planter box on the balcony and grow silver beet, or basil or both. It's good exercise, it's productive and it's "cerebral detoxification" from the working life. Do you want more meat? Raise three chooks or buy two rabbits.

Take the time for yourself and spite the people shopkeepers who only see you as fodder for their own enterprises, whether as low-paid employees of consumers to be milked dry. Merchants have been around for at least 10, years. They're not essential. Don't let them fool you into thinking they are. Merchants aren't essential? Umm, well, unless you live out in the country on your own farm, have a horse-drawn plough, no refrigeration or power, no books or tvs or telephones, spin your own wool and make your own pottery and tools, they're pretty damn essential.

Some of their goods may not be essential but damned if I'm going to give up merchandise like pots and pans, teacups and bananas. Doing this right now. Bought some tools on the weekend to build myself a mini farm in the backyard. Looking to use some intelligence with water and electrical efficiency. Not sure about livestock but plants are on the agenda. I have slogged away for 35 years and did not really get anywhere other then an average income. Time for me to partially opt out.

I have decided some of my efforts are better put into the square metres of dirt out the back. That's fair enough. But I bet you're grateful there was a merchant around to sell you the tools, and you didn't have to forge them yourself on a backyard anvil. I think one needs some perspective. It goes way back to Socrates who argued its good to have skills and tools providing you use them.

He also provided a corollary; a shed full of useless junk serves no purpose and probably diminishes the contentment level of the individual. So yes, I am glad there was a merchant to get my stuff from. Also, if everyone took my attitude, there would be a tenth of the merchants as there currently is and maybe the level of depression might be lower as people might find a greater degree of happiness in their daily life.

Then again, maybe not. Maybe filling houses with useless junk and being exploited at work is the answer. Maybe Socrates is dead wrong. There's a lot of useless junk, no question. That's not the fault of the merchant, though, but of the buyer. Myself, while I'm not actually growing my own veggies or milking my own cow, I try to keep my consumer urges within limits. Something comes into my house, something leaves husbands not included in this. I don't buy the latest gadget or widget or hoohaw just because it's there, but I do appreciate the ease of getting things I actually do want ie books or music or need ie the dog's anti-tick medication.

I do have to do something about my shoes, though Remember The Globalisation dream we were all told about, where we would all be working shorter days in the week and shorter weeks in the year, it was all to be utopia, which turned out to be a mirage. It really smelt like a con act, as normal we fell for it. Presumably you enjoy the cheaper goods and products across almost anything you can name, in rela terms, compared to 20 tears ago.

Yes they are cheaper and nastier and fill up the rubbish tips quicker, and they are out of date after 6 months use. What about the shorter working week? It is now essential both husband wife have to work otherwise they are near enough the poverty line, which was not the case of 20 years ago. The whole point of globalization was to open markets for expoitation by capital investors to increase thier market ownership.

It worked. The GFC happened because they caught themselves up in the unregulated US Housing loans market with money that existed nowhere except cyberspace. Having monetary currencies actually backed by a resource like the world did beforre Nixon wrecked the gold standard would solve many problems. The non-equitable distribution of wealth within the Globalization model is the problem.

Everything gabbled about here is just bitching about the symptoms. Is Solon doing anything at the moment, this country could use an impartial proffesional to instigate real reform, both democratic and economically. That is somewhat of a generalisation don't you think. Perhaps employers are trying to get workers for the lowest possible wage, but usually most workers will work tirelessly in the expectation that their boss will see their good work and pay a decent wage. In my experience, there is more take on the employer side. And being Tony and Joe of course they'll find a way to boost profits at the cost of the sales staff.

Once more thousands of Australians will sacrifice their hard won conditions to help boost the comfort levels of the people for whom they work - Myers corporate shareholders. I thought myers stopped employing people years ago. I know the last 2 times I've tried to buy something from them I've ended up walking out because there were no staff to be seen. The truth please unions under labor in the early nineties began trading workers hard won conditions such as penalty rates and shift allowances for aggregate wage increases until the cupboard was bare and now there is nothing left to trade.

I think you misunderstand the aggregate wage concept. For years penalty rates such as shift loadings, annual leave loading and other penalty rates were under attack from employers. The way unions countered the progressive loss of penalty payments was to negotiate aggregate wages which simply put means incorporating those allowances as a percentage of the hourly rate.

The new hourly rate represented, over a year, about the same income so it worked out equal for the employee as well as the employer. The employer benefited also because it meant lower admin costs but the employees benefited a bit more because the new higher hourly rate was used for all purposes, including superannuation calculations, annual leave payments, long service leave and etc.

It also meant that when Workchoices came on the scene there were no penalties or allowances that could be stolen away. Those workers whose unions negotiated aggregate wages into collective enterprise agreements did not suffer as much as others with non union agreements or workers who were forced onto individual contracts. It was not a perfect system and some workers did suffer but not as much as those in non unionised workplaces. Check the facts. All through Howards workchoices era and as it is now union negotiated EBA's paid much better than non union agreements. It's something to think about in the coming Abbott industrial era.

Join a union now. You will need professional experienced EBA negotiators in your corner and can have no better protection to be part of collective when it comes to negotiation under whatever changes Abbott brings to the new employer friendly IR scene. TrvorN: I understand perfectly how it worked and that's why I opposed aggregate wages and hours.

You forget stand alone penalty such as extended shift allowance cannot be separated from the aggregate and real penalty pay is lost with real overtime worked being absorbed in a manipulation of the aggregated hours in quiet times. Unions conned again. I accept what you say. Over time that additional money adds up and you don't have to negotiate new penalties when you are negotiating productivity or CPI increases.

For years employers tried to keep penalties off the bargaining table and in some industries they wound up either disappearing them or shrinking them so much that they became irrelevant. But yeah, there were some downsides with trying to aggregate OT hrs into the equasion because tallying up the overtime accurately and in advance was somewhat a guessing game. I keep telling people who work under there conditions that if they constantly work 50 or even 60 hrs weeks without trying to negotiate a higer salary that they are dudding themselves and their bosses are laughing all the way to the bank.

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It sends a sober message but I don't know how many actually adjust the hrs of work to match their pay rates or go to their bosses and tell them to stop the rippoffs. Always good fun to bash the shareholders except most of them are ordinary Aussie workers. The majority of shares in major Australian companies are held by worker's super funds. Ordinary workers need these companies to succeed to provide jobs and decent super payouts.

Modern "progressives" need some education in the ways of the world instead of dreaming up schemes that invariably wind up making life miserable for the workers We really do need a reformed Labor Party that can get back to representing the workers; we have nothing at present. I note that all Labor can concern themselves with at present is another round of navel gazing as they pick between Albo and Shorto; as though either were Labor men. Then we can talk about penalty rates. Golden handshakes and bonuses for running companies in to the ground?

Did golden handshakes and parachutes have the intended effect? Switzerland is cracking down on both. I think Germany is following. Not all past measures were created equally. And constraining the run-away train that is executive renumeration is quite a different proposition to, say, the glass steagall act. I'm not saying we should move forward. Just removing them without putting something else in place to stop the rot is unwise. Penalty rates may be part of the equation, however the responsiveness of Australian suppliers in general is a much bigger issue.

When I can get the same product from a reputable international store, delivered faster and cheaper than attempting to place an order in Australia, almost without fail, then Australia's retailers have a serious problem. The cost of intercepting all the mail items, and issuing an invoice to the purchaser me, you, the general public to pay the tax will be phenomenal. If the LNP is trying to return to old fashioned values and based on some of their policies, they are heading back in time, such as the NBN , then the old fashioned value of working during the normal week, and not working on the weekends unless there are penalty rates, is something the LNP should embrace.

Perhaps the LNP is getting modern. Many countries world wide don't view working a Tuesday any different than working a Sunday. Especially in Asia. And if you wish to go back in time - it was very normal to work Saturday mornings - on same rates as weekdays. Tuesday is the same as sunday? Tell that to the executive who works monday to friday. Aren't you trying to have it both ways?

No, I want a system that is more flexible about defining working hours. There are plenty of people - students and the like - who would love to work an evening or weekend job but can't get one because it's too expensive to hire them at penalty rates. How is that to anyone's advantage? I'm glad that you picked up the contradiction there - that is LNP philosophy for you.

Conserve the past, except where we can possibly reduce conditions for the employees. The problem Australia has is that it does none of the retail side well. I would pay similar or more to overseas if the delivery was faster, or would accept a cheaper price if the delivery was slower, but Australia masters slow and expensive. I think the choice is huge - Harvey Norman has a very wide range of kettles, toasters, shavers, heaters, TVs etc.

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Michael you have hit on one of the major unknowns for a Tony Abbott prime ministership. There have been on going rumblings from the retail and hospitality sectors for a long time about penalty rates, particularly on weekends. Also within the Liberal Party itself there has been comments by senior people such as Peter Reith about the need to "do something about penalty rates". There will be increasing pressure on Abbott to amend labor laws. He has a vague IR policy that says that he will not take "measures to set penalty rates" but on the other hand is to bring back "individual flexibility agreements".

We will just need to wait and see what happens there. It is interesting that while labour costs are at the forefront I have very rarely heard a politician or retailer for that matter talk about the outrageous rents that make businesses unviable. In my local community commercial rents are unrealistic and businesses come and go. Similar things happen in the large shopping malls with the ubiquitous "exciting new shop coming" sign indicating of course that the last one fell over. What are we to do, reduce labor costs so the savings made there can go to landlords? And retailers do go under two huge white goods companies failed in the west recently with many workers left on welfare unable to find other work very sad.

In fact how much labour costs a small business in a shopping mall is pretty irrelevant to them. Rents are set at a level deliberately designed to keep enough businesses afloat while skimming off any large profit. If all the small businesses have their labour costs go down then rents will go up so the mall owner gets the profit for themselves.

If their labour costs go up then the rents go down to keep the business alive. This isn't about profitability. It's about 'greater' profitability. Stores like Myer and Hardly Normal can easily run a scenario to determine the profitability of their business hours: Simply open on Monday to Friday and see how they fare. No Penalties required so it should be a profit explosion, right? C'mon retail CEOs, why are you so afraid of making money? The Hardy Norman as you call it in my town is in receivership trying to trade out of debt lot of jobs gone there. Well, according to the logic of Bernie Brooks and Gerry Harvey, Penalty rates killed the outlet on their own.

They should have stayed open during business hours only in order to avoid paying those nasty penalty rates. They could have saved the outlet, the region, the universe. But no, they stayed open on weekends even though it was unprofitable to do so. But hey, why question it. That's why managers and executives get the big bucks, right? Hardly Normal massively over merchandizes. He does this because he is wanting you to walk in and see your dream lounge already set up. In short he is trying to sell you a dream and not a lounge suit.

Dream selling came in during the early nineties when customers started to pretend they could get more for less. The hardly normal is in a bind because of dishonesty. Instead of trying to hide substandard product amongst glitzy mechanizing, he should be up front and sell it as it is.

You do not need to spend millions on lamp shades and rugs when you do that. You also develop something called brand loyalty because you are honest. None of this is the staffs fault and they have no need to take a pay cut due to managerial stupidity. Hardly Normal i like this moniker owns their own production company, they basically only have to pay for time slots and not commercial production. As i understand it, it is normal operating proceedure that the furniture section of the HN stores loses money, while most money is made from the electrical depatment, that is why you have walk through the furniture dept to get to the electronics in most if not all stores, its a bit like the milk and bread at the back of the supermarket model.

Essentially the HN model is broken, Gerry knows it, but its too late to un-invent internet shopping so thats why they want the GST on foreign purchases widened. How ironic. Multi-millionaire owner of Harvey Norman complaining about paying people penalty rates. These people need to earn living too. They are hard working people who need to pay rent, mortgages, bills, they have children to look after.

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You make it sound like penalty rates are standard pay rates, when in reality, they are paid to make up for working more, or working at times which are unusual. If you work for a business which is open 7 days a week, then you do so knowing that, unless it's negotiated, you'll be working on weekends. If you don't want to work on weekends, get another job Your "victim mentality" is astounding. I guess Bernie and Gerry's victim mentality is astounding too. After all, they knew they would open their stores 7 days a week and thus likely be required to pay penalty rates.

They should quit their whining and open , M-F. They knew the terrain going in. Why complain now? Not a victim at all just staying the obvious that those paying themselves millions whilst claiming poverty because they have to pay a standard wage to their employees is highly ironic and insulting. Not nearly as ironic as someone who couldn't survive without penalty rates claiming to know more about running a multi-billion dollar retailing chain.

Not nearly ironic as a "battler" who supports the Libs. They really have their brain wired in a very weird way. To state the obvious, businesses are in business to make money. If they don't make money, it is not worth their while to continue. What do you think will happen to all those employees who have rent, mortgages and bills to pay if the employer decides to close the store because it's not making enough of a profit? Harvey Norman is not a job creator, it is a job destroyer. Harvey norman simply used economies of scale to remove the competition and its employment , just as coles and woolworths have done.

Harvey Norman's "economies of scale" means the prices were cheaper than the "smaller furniture retails[sic] shops". The consumer buys from the lowest cost, broadest range provider. The small furniture stores disappeared because they were unable to compete. Most of their prices are not cheaper at all. There is a family owned store in my area as well as Harvey Norman - the family store is not as flash but its prices and range is better. It is true though that stores like HN and Coles and Woolworth have caused the closure of smaller stores.

Same happened to butchers when they let supermarkets sell meat. Fortunately butchers have made a comeback as people are more aware of the benefits of not buying pre-packed meats and can buy exactly what they want and properly see what they get. He can always opt to go back to the 5 day week. Customer loyalty is a thing of the past. If you're not open on a weekend and Harvey Norman's or Myers or whatever is, your customers will go there because they expect shops to be open on weekends.

So the small shop closes, and then the customers have no choice but to go to Harvey Norman or Myers or on-line. And the queue at Centerlink gets longer. Another story we have Harvey Norman's boss saying that trading on a Sunday is hard to make money - sounds like a poor business plan - trading at a loss! Or, maybe it's just another big company whinging. I can't understand why they open on Sundays if they make no money from that trade. Given they DO open on Sundays, I agree. This just sounds like another big company whinging because they actually have to pay staff to work!

I think it's probably worthwhile considering the family time that such staff members lose when they work on weekends. How many CEOs would give up that time to work? Harvey has complained long and loud in the west about lack of Sunday trading. He now is whinging about paying the cost. He knew the cost before he starting sooking on. Nothing to see here. Yet another rich man crying foul about not having enough money.

Gerry Harvey loved competition when it was him destroying the smaller furniture and electronics stores with his buying power. Would it matter if people worked their weekly hours on any five days? Traditionally for many retailers Mondays and Tuesdays are 'quiet' days.

Why not stay closed those days, or keep them for delivery receipts and necessary background administration? Such an approach would quickly sort itself out; it may surprise us all that people are very adaptable, that commuter congestion may ease a little, that if we wish to shop at a certain store we'll get access to it in the course of a week. The seriously religiously afflicted follow their own timetable anyway. The less afflicted fit in like the rest of us.

If you've ever tried to get parent help in a youth organisation in a fly in fly out state then you know what I mean. Would you give up your weekend social life to get payed the same as someone who works during the weekend? Remember that the majority still work Monday to Friday. Can you direct me to the child care centre that will care for my children on Saturday and Sunday and to the school that will educate my children and provide before and after-hours from Wednesday until Sunday?

Cheers all commenters. Most appear to argue that ' The profit motive means quite simply that like or associated businesses and industries would strain to the median for opening, trading and other business activities. Very few activities could not benefit from some rational thought about the whens and whys of their chosen activities.

There will always be new businesses establishing to cater for what we might today call 'non traditional work days'. With the possible exception of those whose families need to fit in with institutionalized education timings there are no activities so deeply entrenched they could not vary. And even on that point there are many alternatives.

I'm not here advocating for those alternatives, merely saying they already exist in many forms. For those who won't or can't restructure because of children's schooling - fine. For those who don't need their week structured to suit schools and churches, little athletics and football matches or origami classes, give it a thought. Just as my life timetable is not necessarily yours, so your timetable is not necessarily mine.

Employers squealing again about cost of doing business in Australia. But they conveniently don't mention the many benefits of doing business in a well off developed country like Oz: - security, stability, safety, well regulated and governed institutions, overall prosperity etc etc. If they don't like conditions here they can go to China or India where they'll get cheap labour and all the other problems that go with it. They love the general level of wealth in the community that supports their stores but do not want to perpetuate it.

Plus they get the ability to earn thousands of times more than their lowest level workers and not be at risk of having their "earnings" robbed. It sickens me that wages that many CEO's earn.

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There is research indicating that bonuses don't lift performance for complicated mental tasks which I assume includes CEO management decisions and that the amount payed to the top tier of the company is not linked to company growth. Any shareholder is a fool to consider paying a CEO over a million. That is unless you are the CEO who gets to vote on your own pay.

Penalty rates are way out of hand. How can anyone justify 'earning' 3x or 4x their normal rate for doing exactly the same job. If the hours of work are inconvenient or unsuitable, find another job. Maximum penalty rates are double time and a half on a public holiday. Anyone who gets triple or quadruple time has had that agreed to by the boss. I think its normally 1. Don't - or find another job that is Mon to Fri.. Part timers can do the weekends. More employed. Please, keep to the facts. You also ignore the fact that many workers on penalty rates can pick and chose their shifts: nurses, aged care workers, police, fire fighters etc.

Or in your old age are you happy to be utterly dependent on carers who are disgrunted, underskilled and underpaid to provide even more so than they are already? Alfie, employees don't earn 3 or 4x their normal rate. As a hospitality casual, public holidays including Christmas and Boxing Day, both of which I worked last year only pay double the normal casual hourly rate. These also weren't my normal days to work, but I volunteered as others wanted the day off, and yes, because of the money.

On the same note, a lot of people who are in minimum wage jobs such as hospitality and retail don't choose to be there, and its not as simple as going to find another job. For a lot of people, such as students, these are the only jobs flexible to work around constantly changing university schedules. It is very easy to misunderstand how the Australian penalty system works until you've sat down and read through the award wages.

When I was at university not that long ago , it wasn't the university schedule which was changing constantly maybe different each semester, but essentially unchanging for 6 months at a time , it was the work roster which was in a state of flux I was certainly not the only one in that situation either.

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I'm not complaining about it, just stating how it was. C'mon, tell him to say so What's he waiting for, we all knew that the election was all about that, wasn't it? Business would inevitably show him the bill Alfie, no one gets 3 or 4 times their wage. The maximum is double. One day you will frighten the life out of yourself by being right..

Alfie is just trumpeting the Liberal lie, as usual! Why else would they still complain about "Union dominance" and employees "striking at the drop of a hat" which are still illegal under the Fair Work Act? Typical Liberal sensationalism!!! Alfie, Who earns "3x or 4x their normal rate" for working Saturday or Sunday? Clubs now pay slightly less than time and a quarter Saturday and time and a half Sunday, and no evening penalties. If everyone who worked nights of weekends found another job then where would you get a meal, a drink, see a movie, for example?

And then there are the people that really matter who work all the ungodly hours. Police, Fire Fighters, Ambos, Nurses and on and on. What about that sewer pump that fails at 3am on a wet winters morning, just leave it until office hours because everyone who used to work 'on call' took you advice?

What is "way out of hand" is the right wing BS. Alfie Please remind the waiter of your opinion next time you are dining out on Saturday night while they serve you for little more than minimum wage. I'm sure they'll ensure your service is improved. How much would you want to work Christmas Day? Given the quality of service in a lot of restaurants here, the waiters are lucky even to have jobs. Australians seem to have very low expectations of service staff, even though they pay them more than many other countries. Alfie, you're entitled to express your opinion but please stop making stuff up.

You're NOT entitled to "your own facts".


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No penalty rates fixed under the Fair Work Act are "3x or 4X their normal rate". Some employers may value their staff skills at "unsociable hours" so much that they will pay 3x or 4x but that's a private contract between employer and employee and so long as it meets minimum standards of 1. Alfie - I have been a nurse for forty years and I will not be working Christmas Day, New Years Eve etc while most of the country is out enjoying themselves with family and friends unless I am compensated in the form of penalty rates for doing so.

I hope when the time comes that you need your bib put on or your pad changed it is between the hours of 9 - 5 Monday to Friday because there may be no-one there to do it outside of these times. If you take a job on the basis that 9am-5pm Mon-Fri are your normal hours of work then, yes, you should get paid penalty rates if you are then asked to come in on a Sunday. But if you take it knowing that Sunday is part of your noirmal working week but say Monday isn't then no penalty rates for Sunday but penalty rates for the times you are asked to work on as Monday.

If Sundays or Public Holidays are important to you don't take the job. That's all far too logical for a comment on here I fully support penalty rates for working overtime, or at times when work isn't ordinarily undertaken and not every job is monday-friday , but I don't entirely understand the justification otherwise.

I also don't see why so many shops claim to need to be open every day, I recall how it was sometimes inconvenient when things weren't open on Saturday afternoons, or Sundays, but it was hardly "life-and-death". If the current penalty rate system is detrimental to a business, then just don't open on those days - which will no doubt cause people to complain that the employer is being unfair to the staff by not being open Terry, There is a difference between penalty rates and overtime.

Penalty rates compensate for working hours which most would rather not e. I haven't shopped in Myer for years. Hard to find service staff and product range is poor. Problem with the myers and harvey normans is that they think they know what people want, but are really clueless. AS for paying staff less, I thi9nk they've forgotten two things; their staff are someone else's customers, so cut their wagres and it'll impact on someone else, and secondly they all wanted sunday trading, but forgot that it'll be familes that pay a price.

Personally I don't go near chains like Gerry Harvey over priced product and Myer. I prefer local strip malls where I don't have to put up with crowds and indifferent product lines, along with the fact that Westfields all have the same shops. If it's any consolation to Gerry Harvey the poor service levels in his stores is the same in his overseas stores.

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